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Old 2017-07-13 , 09:12
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In some good news for South African cricket, the women's team have made it to the semi-finals of the World Cup. Realistically that's probably as far as they can be expected to go as I think it's fair to say that England and Australia are still quite a way ahead of us, but at least the women are living up to expectations, unlike the men.
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Old 2017-07-17 , 14:17
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Kuhn has also been amongst the top scorers in Domestic cricket for the last number of years, so probably deserves a shot in the test team. And yes, while he hasn't exactly set the world alight in his first two tests, he is opening the innings in a place where the ball probably does more than most, so some failures are to be expected. It's not like any of the other 3 openers have done all that much more than him in the series.

I'm relatively happy with the team selected for this second test. And I'm not just saying that because we've got a realistic shot at actually beating them (which would make Beetle wrong) in the game. I'm just not convinced the batting order is correct. I'd prefer to have Faf at 4, then Bavuma, then Q. Vern at 7 is fine, he's quite capable of scoring plenty runs given the responsibility to do so, and Morris can bat quite well. Bring in Rabada for Olivier in the third test, and we'll have a 4 prong pace attack, and a specialist spinner (with bits and pieces guys amongst the batting if things go really wrong and you need to buy a wicket). Good balance, batting in theory down to number 10 (although Morne would argue he's better than number 11 - he has opened the innings after all).

As for our ladies team, they've done a lot better than I expected from them. A team clearly on the up, and one that is completely unrecognisable in attitude and professionalism from what we had not very many years ago! Kudos to them and to CSA for what they've been doing!
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Old 2017-07-17 , 19:48
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I'm relatively happy with the team selected for this second test. And I'm not just saying that because we've got a realistic shot at actually beating them (which would make Beetle wrong) in the game.
Elsewhere someone, at the start of the second test, mentioned the following to me, "And here we go. The second disaster". To which I replied, "No. We going to win by a large margin and then have the momentum with us going into the third test. Faf has it all under control". So, where was Beetle wrong?
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Old 2017-07-18 , 09:17
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So, where was Beetle wrong?
Let me present Exhibit A.

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Irrespective of what our side is going to be I cannot see us beating this England side.
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Old 2017-07-18 , 09:27
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And here's Exhibit B

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They've certainly lost something. Guess it's back to the drawing board for us.
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Old 2017-07-18 , 09:59
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And here's Exhibit B
In Beetle's defence, I think that was in reference to the ODI side, not the test side. And in any case, we did go back to the drawing board to some extent by making a significant change in replacing Duminy with Morris, and it paid dividends.
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Old 2017-07-18 , 10:03
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It was the only ammunition left to find.
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Old 2017-07-18 , 11:06
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Excellent performance, and really like the balance of the side now. Rabada in for Olivier and that's a mean attack with plenty of options while Philander and Morris are good enough for 7&8, with more to come from Maharaj and Rabada with the bat. It helps that we have a keeper good enough to bat in the top 6 and average high 40s, rather than a solid Boucher-style 7 averaging 30. And Duminy wasn't contributing much in the way of runs anyway, unfortunately.

Also nice to have the insurance of an extra bowler for when one breaks down or is just struggling with fitness like Philander in the first test. Maybe not needed when bowling a side out quickly like in this test, but we obviously don't always get pitches like that, and wouldn't be surprised if the Oval is flat again. When Steyn broke down again in the series in Aus it put huge strain on the other seamers, and Rabada has papered over these cracks by bowling a lot of overs. With more bowling options we run less risk of burning out our young strike bowler. For years I've hoped Parnell would fulfill his talent and help to balance the side, but he remains as frustrating as ever, sadly, while Morris bowled some absolute jaffas.

Things are looking up. All I'd like to see in the longer term is Markram getting a chance and hopefully taking it. Worry that so many of our side are the wrong end of 30, given what we saw happen to the Aus side when so many players retired at once. Better to steadily infuse some new blood.

And having just read Orangell's comment about the batting order, have to agree with that.
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Old 2017-07-18 , 12:12
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It was the only ammunition left to find.
Damn! Should have known I wouldn't get away with that
What is this? National beating Beetle day(s)? Orange II, Citanul and Optimist all having a go at poor defenseless Beetle who, following a post by OrangeII, simply stated something in his defence. Besides, what I said before surely gets overwritten by any later comment? Like this latest one of mine.

Here I was thinking I had FRIENDS on the forum

Quote[Things are looking up. All I'd like to see in the longer term is Markram getting a chance and hopefully taking it. Worry that so many of our side are the wrong end of 30, given what we saw happen to the Aus side when so many players retired at once. Better to steadily infuse some new blood.]End Quote

This is also of some concern to me. Although Kuhn hasn't really done anything wrong and is, I believe, a leading run scorer in our local leagues I think we should start looking ahead and giving a couple of the younger players a chance. Just one or two at a time. Would be harsh on Kuhn I'll admit but it may be for the better of the team in the long run. Not as if Kuhn has done all that well at International level.

Will now see what further abuse Beetle receives. Citanul? Orange? OPTIMIST!!!!!?
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Old 2017-07-18 , 12:15
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Worry that so many of our side are the wrong end of 30, given what we saw happen to the Aus side when so many players retired at once. Better to steadily infuse some new blood.
I think that's starting to happen. We do have quite a few players who are a similar sort of age so could in theory retire at about the same time:

Du Plessis
Amla
De Villiers
Morkel
Philander
Steyn
Duminy

But De Villiers, Steyn and Duminy are no longer part of the test side, and I think the only one who might make a return is Steyn, and even then I have my doubts. So the replacement process has begun to some extent.

And players will end up missing games through injuries (but hopefully not any more through suspensions!), so the likes of De Bruyn, Olivier and others will be able to gain test experience, and hopefully by the time mass retirements happen we'll have replacements who may not have a lot of experience at that point, but won't be complete newbies either.
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